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I BELIEVE THAT IN A VERY SHORT TIME, I WILL POSSIBILY BE DETAINED, IN WHATEVER FASHION, WHETHER UNDER THE INTERNAL SECURITY ACT, OR BROUGHT TO COURT WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING RELEASED ON BAIL.

I WON'T DENY ALL THESE POSSIBILITIES, LOOKING AT THE DESPERATE AND AGGRESIVE TACTICS BEING EMPLOYED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF DATUK SERI DR MAHATHIR MOHAMAD NOW. THEREFORE, ALLOW ME TO MAKE A CALL TO MY CHILDREN AND MALAYSIAN PUBLIC IN GENERAL.

TO MY CHILDREN, YOUR FATHER, A WARRIOR, STANDING UP FOR RIGHTS, DEFENDING THE POOR, UPHOLDING OUR PEOPLE'S DIGNITY AND THE ISLAMIC RELIGION...

YOUR FATHER HAS ENTERED INTO A NUMBER OF FIELDS, THEN INTO THE PARTY (UMNO) AND INTO GOVERNMENT, AND HAS MANAGED TO ATTAIN A HIGH POSITION...

BUT YOUR FATHER HAS NEVER GIVEN UP THE DESIRE AND WILL TO DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF JUSTICE AND THE PEOPLE.

AND CERTAINLY BY UPHOLDING TRUTH, THIS HAS BROUGHT ABOUT A LOT OF UNEASINESS AND NERVOUSNESS FROM SPECIFIC GROUPS OF PEOPLE...

THEY WHO HAVE ORGANISED A CONSPIRACY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER, WHICH INVOLVES THE PRIME MINISTER DR MAHATHIR MOHAMAD HIMSELF.

THEREFORE MY CHILDREN, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT ALL THE ACCUSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HURLED TOWARDS YOUR FATHER ARE VICIOUS LIES.

AND MY LOVE TO YOU, IN EDUCATING YOU TO BECOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE WISDOM, SPIRITUAL STRENGTH AND KNOWLEDGE...

I HOPE THAT WITH YOUR MOTHER'S GUIDANCE, YOU WILL NOT BE DISCOURAGED, LET YOUR SPIRIT BE STRONG, INCREASE YOUR KNOWLEDGE, LET YOUR FIGHTING SPIRIT REMAIN...

AND DON'T EVER FORGET WHERE WE CAME FROM, AND REMEMBER ALL THOSE WHO HAIL FROM YOUR FATHER'S VILLAGE, IN SUNGAI BAKAP AND CHERUK TUKUN.

REMEMBER MY ADVICE, BECAUSE THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING TERRIBLE THAT WILL HAPPEN, CANNOT BE PUT ASIDE.

YOUR FATHER WILL PROBABLY BE ARRESTED, AND IF WE LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO UNCLE SUKMA, AND UNCLE MUNAWAR, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT I WILL BE FORCED, THREATENED OR BEATEN.

YOUR FATHER IS NOT AFRAID OF ALL THAT. I HAVE GONE THROUGH IT BEFORE, AND GOD WILLING, I WILL BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND MORE.

BUT I MUST REMIND YOU THAT YOUR FATHER MAY BE INJECTED WITH EITHER DRUGS, OR DIFFERENT KINDS OF DRUGS THAT CAN MAKE ME FORGET WHO I AM, OR MAKE ME UNCONSCIOUS OF WHAT I'M SAYING.

THAT'S WHY I HAVE CHOSEN TO SAY THE TRUTH HERE...

SO THAT WHEN THERE ARE ACCUSATIONS THAT ARE SPECIFIC, ESPECIALLY INVOLVING UNCLE MUNAWAR AND UNCLE SUKMA...

LAST NIGHT, I HAVE GIVEN A SWORN STATEMENT IN BATU PAHAT, TO SAY THAT THE ACCUSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HURLED REGARDING DESPICABLE CONDUCT-

THAT THOSE ARE TERRIBLE LIES THAT UNFORTUNATELY, HAVE BEEN SPUN BY THOSE WHO ARE TOO AFRAID OF YOUR FATHER'S STRENGTH AND INFLUENCE.

AND GOD WILLING, THE REFORM MOVEMENT, TO STRAIGHTEN TRUTH, JUSTICE AND LAWS, WILL NOT BE DESTROYED.

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

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FROM BEFORE I HAVE SAID, IN TRUTH THERE IS A POLITICAL CONSPIRACY OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE.

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DEFINITELY I DIDN'T WANT TO INVOLVE THE NAME OF DATO SERI DR. MAHATHIR MOHAMAD, IN HOPING THAT HE WILL DECIDE AND ACT REASONABLY, RATIONALLY, AND WITH SYMPATHY...BUT IT IS EVIDENT THAT HE DIDN'T, BECAUSE HE IS HUNGRY FOR POWER AND MONEY, AND WANTS TO USE THE REMAINING TIME THAT HE HAS IN POWER TO STRENGTHEN THE INTERESTS OF HIS FAMILY, AND THE INTERESTS OF HIS CRONIES.

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IT IS TRUE THAT DATUK SERI DR MAHATHIR MOHAMAD HAS SUPPORTED ME, AND I HAVE SUPPORTED HIM STRONGLY AS WELL.

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BECAUSE AT THAT TIME I WAS CONVINCED OF HIS PRINCIPLES AND STRUGGLE, ALTHOUGH I ADMIT THAT NO ONE IS PERFECT.

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BUT AS TIME WENT BY, ON ADVICE BY LEADERS OF OTHER (KOMPLOT) GROUPS, INCLUDING TUN DAIM ZAINUDDIN, IT WAS CLEAR THEY WERE NOT CONFIDENT THAT I CAN BE TRUSTED

TO PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS.

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THAT I COULD NOT BE TRUSTED TO AGREE TO THEIR WAYS OF MONOPOLISING WEALTH, THROUGH FRAUD AND VIOLENCE, OF ATTAINING WEALTH IN THE INTEREST OF A NUMBER OF GROUPS (WHO ARE IN CONSPIRING TOGETHER).

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THERE WERE NOT CONVINCED THAT I WOULD PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS, AND THEIR RELATIVES, THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE LAUNCHED THIS PLOT THAT'S TRULY EVIL TOWARDS ME.

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AND THIS CONSPIRACY WAS PLANNED IN THE EARLY STAGES, TO USE A SEXUAL CRIME CASE, WHETHER THROUGH ILLICIT SEX, OR LEWD HOMOSEXUAL SEX, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT TO USE A CASE OF GRAFT AGAINST ME (EVEN THOUGH IN THE LATER STAGES) IS DIFFICULT.

6:59

THEY CAN CHECK, BUT THEY KNOW, THAT MY WEALTH AND MY INCOME IS TOO LITTLE, AS A FORMER FINANCE MINISTER FOR 6 YEARS, COMPARED TO PEOPLE LIKE DATO SERI DR. MAHATHIR MOHAMAD AND THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM, WHO ARE NOT ONLY RICH, BUT OWN BILLIONS OF RINGGIT, IN DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN ACCOUNTS AND THIS IS PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

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TO LINK ME TO TREASON, THEY HAVE TRIED TO DO SO, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO STICK, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE KNOW OF MY SACRIFICES, AND MY BEHAVIOUR.

7:34

SAME THING WITH OTHER CASES THAT ARE STILL BEING DEVISED AND CREATED, AFTER I WAS FIRED.

7:40

BUT TO LINK ME TO A SEX CHARGE, THIS HAS BROUGHT UP THE SUSPICION OF MANY PEOPLE...I HAVE ASKED DATO' SERI DR. MAHATHIR MOHAMAD... WHY DOES IT SUDDENLT BECOME SO IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO ENSURE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE MORAL BEHAVIOUR OF THE LEADERSHIP?

EVERYONE KNOWS THAT DR MAHATHIR HAS NEVER WORRIED ABOUT THE MORAL BEHAVIOUR OF THE LEADERHIP, BE IT DRINKING, BE IT SEX, BE IT GAMBLING. EVERYONE KNOWS ALSO THEIR BEHAVIOUR WHEN THEY ARE IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

8:14

SOMETIMES, HE ADVISES, DON'T DO IT IN THE COUNTRY, IF THEY WERE FOUND OUT, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IT, DO IT OURSIDE THE COUNTRY. THEREFORE THIS ADVICE IS WELL-KNOWN BY MANY.

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THEREFORE IT IS SURPRISING, THAT HE SAYS, THAT AT THIS STAGE, THE MORAL BEHAVIOUR, IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE FOR HIM.

8:35

IN FACT, WITH THE UNVEILING OF THE MARINA YUSOF SEX SCANDAL, THAT INVOLVED A NUMBER OF THE P-M'S WOMEN ASSOCIATES, AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN CABINET, ALL THIS, ALTHOUGH ERASED BY THE LOCAL MEDIA, BUT IS INDEED APPALLING.

IF THERE IS A REASON THAT IS GIVEN BY DATO SERI DR MAHATHIR MOHAMAD, THAT WHATEVER WAS DONE BY ME IS FROM THE NEWS THAT HE RECEIVED, I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS RELEASED BY MARINA, IS ENOUGH TO ASK HIM TO RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

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THIS CONSPIRACY INVOLVES SOME OF THOSE IN POLITICS AND SOME CORPORATE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID, THAT WHEN I TAKE OVER POWER, THEIR POSITIONS, AND THEIR CRIMES, THEIR BRIBERY, IS NOT SECURED.

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THAT'S WHY IN MY LETTER TO THE PM, I PLEADED WITH HIM NOT TO ACT IN A CRUEL WAY...I SAID, THE ANTI-CORRUPTION AGENCY, IS INVOLVED. AS IF I HAVE ASKED THE ACA TO INVESTIGATE THE ECONOMIC PLANNING AGENCY, THAT INVOLVES THE HEAD OF THE EPU. AND THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION, AND THERE IS PROOF FOR ARREST, INCLUDING THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN ACQUIRED.

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BUT THIS CASE WAS CLOSED, AND NOW I AM BEING IMPLICATED, AS IF I ASKED THE ACA TO INVESTIGATE THE IGP, TOWARDS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND TOWARDS THE CHIEF JUSTICE.

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ALL THIS IS TO GET THEM ON DR MAHATHIR'S SIDE, WHEN A CONSPIRACY WAS BEING WEAVED TOWARDS ME.

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BECAUSE OF THAT, I HAVE AGREED TO DISCUSS WITH MY FRIENDS, TO LAUNCH AN AGENDA OF REFORM (ISLAH). BECAUSE I CANNOT SEE AN END OR A RESOLUTION TO THIS OPPRESSION/ VIOLENCE.

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IN THE CASE TOWARDS ME, INVOLVING THE FORMER DRIVER, AZIZAN, AND UMI HAFILDA, THEY HAVE A SWORN STATEMENT, UMI HAFILDA HAS STATED ON TAPE THAT ACCUSES SOME PEOPLE OF PAYING (VERY HIGH PRICES) TO THE WRITER OF THE BOOK 50 REASONS, SO THAT THE BOOK WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED WIDELY, THE JUDGE INVOLVED WAS REMOVED, BUT THIS CANNOT BE SAID THAT ITS A HIGH-LEVEL CONSPIRACY.

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THEN THE CASE WAS STOPPED ALL OF A SUDDEN. WHEN WAS I FIRED, THIS CASE WITH THE ORIGINAL ACCUSATION, CANNOT BE USED. AFTER I WAS FIRED, ONLY THEN DID THE ARRESTS BEGIN.

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THE ARRESTS WAS DONE TOWARDS SUKMA, DR MUNAWAR, AZMIN, MOHAMAD, AND OTHERS BEFORE THIS, AND THEY WERE RELEASED, EITHER THEY KEPT QUIET, OR THEY MADE FALSE STATEMENTS, AGAINST ME.

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I KNOW THE WAY OF THE POLICE, IF THEIR STYLE IS THE GESTAPO STYLE, AND SOME OF THEM EMPLOY APARTHEID STYLE, AND LIKE MOSSAD, ISRAEL.

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BUT I WANT TO REMIND THEM, THIS YEAR, THIS MONTH THEY ARE SAFE, NEXT MONTH THEY CANNOT BE SURE, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WILL CALL FOR AN ENQUIRY.

12:48

MANDELA WAITED FOR DECADES BEFORE TRUTH EMERGED, AND INVESTIGATIONS TOWARDS THOSE INVOLVED WERE CARRIED OUT.

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TRUTH CANNOT BE COMPROMISED, JUSTICE MUST BE METED OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

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CRUELTY CANNOT PROLONG.

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SO I'M HOPING THAT THE POLICE DO THEIR JOB PROFESSIONALLY. IN THE CASE OF SUKMA, HELD FOR 13 DAYS, HIS PARENTS CAN'T SEE HIM, HIS FAMILY FROM INDONESIA CAN'T SEE HIM, OUR LAWYER THAT WE HIRED CANNOT SEE HIM, IN THE END THE POLICE FORCED, THREATENED, AND EVEN POSSIBLY USED DRUGS TO ASK HIM TO ADMIT AND HIRE THEIR OWN LAWYERS. THE WHOLE LAW COMMUNITY KNOWS, HOW DISGUSTING THIS WAS. ALREADY THIS PERSON WAS FORCED, AND FORCED TO ADMIT, AND NOW THEY HIRE LAWYERS, WHO ARE FORMER POLICEMEN, HIRED BY THE POLICE, TO REPRESENT SUKMA.

13:56

IN HALF AN HOUR THIS CASE WAS SETTLED IN COURT. WHEN THERE WAS AN OBJECTION, OUR FAMILY CAME LATE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW, THE LAWYERS CAME LATE BECAUSE WE WERE NOT TOLD, IN HALF AN HOUR HE WAS GIVEN 6 MONTHS JAIL SENTENCE, AND THE COURT IN DIFFERENT ROOMS, THE SENTENCE WAS THE SAME, QUICKLY EFFICIENTLY THEY WERE SENTENCED, THIS IS EXTRAORDINARY, AND IT SHOWS AND PROVES THAT THERE ARE ORDERS FROM THE TOP, THERE IS A POLITICAL CONSPIRACY THAT HAS HAPPENED...UNTIL THE CASE WAS OVER, MY FATHER WHO WANTED TO SEE SUKMA, IN THE END WAS NOT ALLOWED.

SUKMA COULD NOT EVEN RAISE HIS HEAD TO FACE HIS FAMILY MEMBERS, BECAUSE OF THE THREATS. THIS CRUELTY IS A CRUELTY TOWARDS THE PEOPLE.

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THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, BUT THIS EXAMPLE HAS OPENED THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE YOU ALL SHOULD BE THANKFUL THAT EVEN IF I AM TORTURED, I AM SHAMED, THIS IS THE FIRST IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY IN OUR MODERN TIMES WHERE THE PEOPLE ON THEIR OWN, HAS BEEN GIVEN A LESSON AND EYE-OPENER.

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THEREFORE I SAY, THERE IS NO CHOICE EXCEPT REFORM.

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THE LAWS MUST BE RESPECTED. JUSTICE PRINCIPLES MUST BE RESPECTED. HUMAN RIGHTS CANNOT BE TRAMPLED UPON. DICTATOR AND IRON-FIST RULE, TAKING THE PEOPLE'S WEALTH, MUST BE STOPPED.

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THE ECONOMY OF OUR BELOVED COUNTRY MALAYSIA, CAN PROVIDE ENOUGH FOR ALL, WE ASK THAT IT NOT BE MONOPOLISED FOR THE INTEREST OF A SMALL GROUP OF GREEDY PEOPLE, EVEN WHEN THEY TELL EVERYONE THAT THEY ARE PURELY STRUGGLING FOR THE PEOPLE.

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THE QUESTION OF LAW, THE QUESTION OF RELIGION, DON'T REDUCE ITS IMPORTANCE. WE LIVE IN A MULTI-RACIAL AND MULTI-RELIGIOUS SOCIETY, BUT THE PRINCIPLE OF LAW MUST BE KEPT, DON'T HOPE THAT WE USE THE MEDIA, LIKE IN MALAYSIA, WHETHER PRINT OR ELECTRONIC, TO DELUDE THE PEOPLE.

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I WAS THERE WITH AZIZAH, TO SHOW OUR SYMPATHY TO LIM GUAN ENG, WHO HAS BEEN JAILED FOR 18 MONTHS, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WANTED TO PROTECT THE DIGNITY OF A MALAY GIRL AND HER GRANDMOTHER... AND BECAUSE OF THAT I WAS CRITICISED BADLY, AS IF I WAS IN CAHOOTS WITH THE CHINESE PARTIES AND DAP. I SAID THE QUESTION OF LIM GUAN ENG, ISN'T A QUESTION OF CHINESE INTERESTS, NOR A QUESTION OF DAP, BUT A QUESTION OF JUSTICE.

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ALTHOUGH THE MEDIA TRIED TO PLAY THE FACT THAT UMNO MEMBERS WILL BECOME MY ENEMIES.

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I HOPE THAT UMNO MEMBERS ARE MORE MATURE THAN THAT. COME ON, LET US NOT BE DELUDED AND BETRAYED LIKE THIS.

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LET US NOT OUR LEADERSHIP BE DETERMINED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE GREEDY AND UNSCRUPULOUS. ENOUGH, OPEN OUR EYES, DON'T BE SCARED OR NERVOUS, LET US HAVE A STAND IN LIFE.

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THAT IS WHY THIS REFORM MOVEMENT MUST BEGIN WITH OUR OWN AWARENESS...BEGIN WITH OUR SELVES, OUR COURAGE, TO CARRY OUT THIS MOVEMENT.

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THE FACT THAT THIS IS LINKED TO THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHER COUNTRIES, DOESN'T MATTER. THE PERSON WHO WAS MOST AFRAID WHEN PRESIDENT SUHARTO STEPPED DOWN, WAS DATO' SERI DR MAHATHIR MOHAMAD. I KNEW HOW UPSET HE WAS, I KNEW HOW HE TRIED TO DEFEND SUHARTO ALL THE WAY.

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I SAID, SUHARTO ALSO DID MUCH GOOD. BUT SUHARTO ALSO MADE MAJOR MISTAKES, BECAUSE HE PROTECTED A SYSTEM THAT WAS UNJUST, AND BRIBERY.

SAME THING WITH DATO' SERI DR MAHATHIR MOHAMAD. HE'S DONE MANY DEEDS, BUT HE HAS GONE PAST HIS TIME OR ABILITY TO SERVE.

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HE HAS TRIED TO PROTECT HIMSELF, WITHOUT REGARDS FOR THE LAW, AND HAS DONE CRUEL ACTIONS THAT GO ON AND ON, THAT ARE TRULY APPALLING.

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IN FACT, IN MY CASE, ONCE AGAIN, I REPEAT...

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THE CASE THAT INVOLVES ME NOW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE THAT CAUSED MY SACKING. ALL THIS IS NEW, NEWLY CREATED, THEY'RE GOING TO CALL MORE FRIENDS OF MINE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THEY USED PROSTITUTES IT DIDN'T WORK, BECAUSE I PRE-EMPTED THEIR EFFORTS, AND THOUGHT AHEAD THEIR ACTIONS AND TACTICS.

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THAT'S WHY NOW THEY ARE EVEN MORE AGGRESSIVE - IN FACT, DR MUNAWAR WAS DETAINED UNDER THE INTERNAL SECURITY ACT. THE CHARGES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH INTERNAL

SECURITY, THE CHARGES INVOLVE A SEXUAL CASE. THIS DEMONSTRATES A MIXED-UP EFFORT THAT LOOKS RIDICULOUS BECAUSE THE PRIME MINISTER DR.

MAHATHIR IS ALREADY DESPERATE.

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HE HAS READ THE ANGER OF THE PEOPLE, AND I WISH TO ADVISE HIM, HE SHOULD STEP DOWN HONOURABLY, BEFORE THE PEOPLE GET UP TO OPPOSE HIM AND FORCE HIM TO STEP DOWN IN DISGRACE.

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AND I PRAY TO ALLAH, THAT THE PEOPLE WILL CARRY ON MAKING A STAND, WHETHER IT BE MALAY, CHINESE, INDIAN, IBAN, KADAZAN, MURUT, ALL, MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THE TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW.

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WE MUST ACT NOW, BEFORE WE ARE RULED BY THOSE WHO DISGUISE THEMSELVES AS OUR LEADERS. WASSALAMUALAIKUM WARAMAHTULLAHI WABARAKATUH.

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THE REASON WHY THEY ARE AFRAID OF ME IS BECAUSE I KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THEIR SECRETS.

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I KNOW THAT A COUPLE OF BILLION RINGGIT BELONGING TO UMNO THAT'S BEEN POCKETED FOR THE INTERESTS OF A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

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I KNOW THAT A LOT OF MONEY - ABOUT A BILLION - IN OCTOBER, WAS TAKEN OUT FROM OUR COUNTRY TO A BANK ACCOUNT IN ZURICH.

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I HAVE REPORTED THIS TO DR MAHATHIR, HOPING THAT HE IS A LEADER WHO'S CAN BE TRUSTED, UNFORTUNATELY HE KEPT THE INFORMATION, AND I CANNOT DENY THAT THERE IS A SECRET PACT AMONG HIM AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.

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I KNOW THE SECRET OF HOW A NUMBER OF PROJECTS WAS USED TO BENEFIT A NUMBER OF FRIENDS AND RELATIVES OF THE PM.

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THEY ARE AFRAID OF THIS FACT, BUT I HAVE TOLD HIM, THAT IN THE BEGINNING THAT I DIDN'T INTEND TO OPPOSE DR. MAHATHIR FOR THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PARTY AND THE GOVERNMENT.

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HOPING THAT HE WILL RETIRE HONOURABLY, AND WHEN WE TAKE OVER WE WILL CARRY ON WORKING ON WHAT'S GOOD, WITHOUT BRINGING OUT HIS DIRTY LAUNDRY. BUT HE DIDN'T GIVE ME A CHOICE. HE HAS INSULTED ME, INSULTED THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS, RIDICULED THE RULE OF RELIGION, AS IF HE WAS ALL-POWERFUL.

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AND HE'S SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO COURAGE WHATSOEVER TO SAY ANYTHING

AGAINST HIM.

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HE LIVES IN A DREAM WORLD. HE DOESN'T COME DOWN TO EARTH. HE THINKS HE'S THE MOST POPULAR PRIME MINISTER IN THE WORLD.

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AND HE THINKS HE IS ABLE TO DO WHATEVER ACCORDING HIS DESIRES, AND HE HAS MADE MAJOR MISTAKES BECAUSE HE HAS ACTED IN A CRUEL MANNER, AND WE PRAY THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE CRUEL, GOD WILLING WILL BE RETRIBUTED BY GOD HIMSELF.

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WE HAVE TRIED TO ADVISE, JUST LIKE A CHILD TO THE FATHER, I CANNOT DENY THAT I HAVE LOVE FOR DR. MAHATHIR, AS A FATHER, WHETHER HE'S SICK, FEVER, TIRED, I TRY TO FIND OUT. I DIDN'T EXPECT AT ALL THAT HE WOULD HAVE ACTED IN SUCH A CRUEL AND ALMOST INSANE WAY, BY DOING ALL THAT HE HAS DONE TO ME.

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JUST BECAUSE HE IS AFRAID, THAT I KNOW TOO MUCH AND HIS SECRET BECAUSE IT IS TOO MUCH, MAY BE EXPOSED.

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THEREFORE HIS WAY AND HIS CHOICE WAS TO KILL MY POLITICAL CAREER, SO THAT I CANNOT STAND AGAIN.

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IN GENERAL, EVERYONE KNOWS MY FEELINGS ABOUT BAKUN. WE WILL NOT BE AGAINST THE

PROJECT IF IT WERE DONE IN THE CORRECT WAY, AND NOT TO MAINTAIN THE INTERESTS OF HIS CRONIES.

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IN FACT, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SEPANG AIRPORT, THERE WAS TOO MUCH INTEREST FOR HIS FAMILY, HIS CHILDREN, AND WE TRIED TO AVOID, UNTIL HE GOT ANGRY WITH US.

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IN THE CASE BETWEEN PETRONAS AND MIC, MISC AS WELL, INVOLVES HIS SON MIRZAN MAHATHIR, WE ADVISED HIM, TO FOLLOW PROCEDURE, I AND PETRONAS REQUESTED TO USED INTERNATIONAL VALUERS, BUT HE GOT ANGRY WITH US, BECAUSE HE THOUGHT THE PRICE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HIGHER, BUT THE PRICE INVOLVED 2 BILLION OF THE PEOPLE'S MONEY, SO WE HAD TO FOLLOW THE CORRECT WAY, BUT HE WASN'T SATISFIED.

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SAME THING WITH THE FACILITIES AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF PUTRAJAYA.

BECAUSE HE LIVES IN WHAT I CALL DELUSION A GRANDEUR (??) MUST BE THE TALLEST, THE BEST, THE BIGGEST, INCLUDING HIS OFFICIAL PALACE, HE WANTED THE BEST AND THE MOST LOVELY IN THE WORLD.

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THERE ARE SOME WHO SAY I APPROVE. I SAY HERE THAT I DON'T APPROVE OF THE BUILDING OF HIS HOUSE.

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THAT IS DONE BY A COMPANY CALLED PUTRAJAYA HOLDING, AND BECAUSE OF THAT THEY ARE GETTING DIRECT ORDERS, I DIDN'T SIGN ANY LETTERS WHATEVER, APPROVING A PALACE THAT'S HUGE AND FOR A PRIME MINISTER WHO WANTS TO LIVE IN A DREAM WORLD.

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BEFORE THIS HE CRITICISED THE KINGS. WASTAGE. HE ASKED FOR LAWS TO BE CHANGED. WE APPROVE, WE THOUGHT LAWS WOULD BE CHANGED TO BRING THE POWER BACK TO THE PEOPLE.

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LOOKS LIKE, THE POWER OF THE ROYALTY HAS BEEN REDUCED, IN WAYS THAT ARE SOMETIMES SEEN AS INSULTING, THERE IS NO REASON TO DO IT IN SUCH A WAY, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THE POWER FROM THE ROYALTY, HAS BEEN PLACED UPON HIS HEAD.

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SO IN THE END HE HAS BECOME THE PRIME MINISTER, AND KING, AND DEITY, AND EVERYTHING. AND THIS HAS BECOME HIS OWN ENEMY, AND DESTROYED HIS IMAGE.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT I DIDN'T APPROVE OF THE HOUSE FOR THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER IN PUTRAJAYA, BECAUSE THE FIRST PROJECT, AT A COST OF 70 MILLION, WAS REDUCED TO 40 MILLION, BROUGHT DOWN SOME MORE, BUT I SAID TO AZIZAH, DIFFICULT FOR US TO APPROVE IT NOW.

IN THESE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, IT'S OKAY IF WE LIVE IN A LESS EXTRAVAGANT HOUSE. BUT DATO SERI DR MAHATHIR MOHAMAD, DIDN'T THINK SO. EVERYTHING WAS IMPORTED, FROM FRANCE, THE INTERIOR FURNISHING THAT IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD. EVERYTHING FIRST CLASS, THE BEST AND MOST WONDERFUL.

WE SHOULD KNOW OUR LIMITS, HE ISN'T VERY YOUNG, HOW TO CARRY ON WITH POWER, TRYING TO REACH THE SKY, AND USING VIOLENCE AND OPPRESSION, USE PEOPLE LIKE HE DOES, USE THE POLICE LIKE THE GESTAPO, BEAT, ABUSE, IN A MOST SHAMEFUL MANNER.

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IN FACT, THE COURT PROCEEDINGS, THE WAY A SESSION WAS EXTRAORDINARILY FAST AND EFFICIENT, NOT LISTENING TO THE PLEAS OF THE LAWYERS.WHAT WE HAVE OFTEN HEARD, THE PEOPLE MUST SACRIFICE...BUT WHAT KIND OF SACRIFICE MUST WE MAKE TO PROVIDE THE HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF RINGGIT? WHAT WE OFTEN HEAR IS THAT OUR COUNTRY IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY...THAT MEANS THE PEOPLE MUST CARRY THE RESPONSIBILITY...BUT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO CARRY OUT JUSTICE, ADMINISTRATION ACCORDING TO LAWS, THEMSELVES CANNOT BE DONE WELL.

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I FEEL THAT ITS PARTLY MY FAULT, BECAUSE TRIED TO BRING CHANGE SLOWLY FROM WITHIN, THROUGH PERSUASION AND PATIENCE, AND FOR THAT I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I'VE GOTTEN RID OF POVERTY, BUILT UP LOW-COST HOUSES, DEFENDED DEMOCRACY FOR THE PEOPLE, AND BRING ACROSS GOOD ISLAMIC TEACHINGS, RESPECT THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS, LOOKS LIKE I'VE BEEN PUSHED ASIDE. BUT BECAUSE I HAVE OBSTINATELY DEFENDED THESE PRINCIPLES, I WILL BE SHAMED, AND MANY TIMES OVER CHARGES WILL BE BROUGHT AGAINST ME, AND THE MEDIA WILL BE USED TO INSULT ME. WHAT'S MY SIN? MY SIN WAS BECAUSE I WANTED TO PROTECT TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE.

 
Published 28 August 98 TOP